I don't want to sound ungreatful for this site but the new layout sucks. The old one looked nice, it worked fine, and it had all the links where it was needed. A few of the pages could have been redone but nothing special. The new site really has a contrast on the different levels of blues, like there is a mix of pastel bules and deep blues. It looks kind of amatuer and some of the links I have come to know and love are now missing. Like if I'm looking at a tread and want to go to a different message board I have to go all the way to the main page again. The sky blue background really had a nice calming sense to it, this new black thing makes it feel strak and rigid and like I said amatuer even though I know a lot of work has been put into it on the scripting side.

I like it, now I won't look gay when I'm on this site at school

We can put forum links along the top. There's plenty of space. It will also take very little work to allow everyone to pick style sheets to control the colors of the site.

The site should have a place where a member could upload their own .css file so they can link it and other people could use it also.

i think it's quite good too, and unlike a lot of other pages it (still) dosent take like 10min to view (note: i'm using a modem)

Dont wat to sound ungreatful either, but it looks very squashed at the front page also looks cluttered.

Kudos to taubz though as it does work what looks like 100% with mozilla RC1, although the A:hover text is bigger than A:normal text so when i hover over a link the page moves down.

I'm not sure what to make of these comments about being "cluttered". To me, it looks like it makes use of the available space.

First, thanks to those who liked it. Like I said to Psion, I think we should have that left bar that's on the main page (or a modified version of it) repeated on all other pages.

To Mycroft, while I appreciate your opinion, to say "it sucks" isn't very nice because clearly it does not suck universally. You would have succeeded in not sounding ungreatful had you simply said "I prefer the old layout because..."

Metamorphic: Save the kudos for the Mozilla team who finally made an IE replacement that supports CSS properly.

CodeRed: We agree!

- taubz

Well i was always taught in web design that you should not fill the page completley with info as it will look overloaded. Ypu should try and make the first page of a site all fit in the browser window (no scrolling down) and split it up so that if the user wants more info on a,b or c they can click on a link to get the info. I'll see if i can make a layout that shows what i mean.

Everything you have to scroll down to see is mostly irrelevant. =)

I know what you mean, and I disagree about the "first page" stuff. Every time I see a site that is simply a menu (or worse yet, a welcome screen), I cringe.

Take my word that Psion and I thought about all of the different possibilities for the first page -- what needs to be there and what we can just link to. Everything is the way it is purposefully.

- taubz

A minor quibble: The count of unread posts in the navigation column includes the one which you are reading at the moment. For instance, if you have read all the threads but this one, and are looking at this page for the first time since it became unread, you'll see 1 unread message for suggestions. I think this is wrong; however, differ away if you so desire :)

My eyes are burning! Please, can things either be all bright (as they used to be) or all dark (ie. change the message background color), because at the moment it quite hurts... Also the changing font sizes on the rollovers is a little tacky...

But I do like the presentation of data, and having a sidebar makes it much easier to navigate the forums.

Psion: come to think of it, it is mostly redundant.

Taubz: Its just a matter of time before IE gets replaced ;) i know most people i know use mozilla.

Well incase u have not noticed. The change in font style in the rollovers cause a part of the italicized word (at the time of roll over) to hide behind the succeeding word.ie, the last few letters are lost.

I am not too sure if it is due to the browser. I use Opera, and I have no idea what the case is with IE.

Just an addition to the previous post, the problem is especially apparent in long message names, when the rollover is done on the message name.

It can also be noticed in the case of Member names. When u rollover on top of a name of a member, the problem is apparent. The problem isnt noticable on the screen where the messages are displayed, but rather on the main screens ( the general, programming and the suggestions page.)

Eg, Unknown_Lamer is truncated to Unknown Lame . also the underscore goes missing.

Again, if this is just the problem of Opera , I dont know... . I understand that these are just minute details , but.....

Now for the Faq page,

It can do with a little indenting. A <p> tag between different posts in the page will help to improve the clarity. It just groups up as one bunch....

Your problem is indeed Opera-specific, but I think we all would definitely prefer the link style to change. I'm not too familiar with CSS, so hopefully someone will heed my post and come up with a better default style sheet!

Maybe I'll paly around with the CSS a bit more... after my homework. :)