Just reading the posts about embedded HTML (or visa versa).

Are the advantages better than the disadvantages that there would be to making an alternative to Java's HTMLDocument Class? That would allow programmers to easily make HTML Pages in pure Java, removing the messy HTML.

i.e.
HTMLDocument Class
HTMLForm Class
HTMLTable Class
etc.

Works like JComponent in swing. You can add a Form to an HTMLDocument.

This could then be used to build "Correct" HTML/XHTML/DHTML/(Your choice of what you want it to output).

I'm assuming someone has done this already. Anyone know where I might find this? I'd seriously consider using it.

Do you mean something like this: http://xml.apache.org/xalan-j/apidocs/org/w3c/dom/html/package-tree.html ? Or maybe something else here: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=java+...

nah, higher level than that..
more like the swing library.

This is something like the "Web forms" stuff in ASP.NET, which attempts to put an event-based programming model such as the one you describe on something delivered over the web. Mono are implementing it.

hmm..

That isn't what I mean't, but still interesting.

when I said the java swing/awt I didn't mean with all the listeners and controllers. I just mean how you can add/remove objects from a container/pane.

So you have an HTML document object, then you can add headers to it, add tables to it, etc. Then the tables can have rows/columns/elements added to them, and in-turn image/span/div/form/etc objects.

It would then run server side, and generate the HTML (or any other output you want (XHTML,DHTML,XML,etc) to be sent back to the client.

"That would allow programmers to easily make HTML Pages in pure Java, removing the messy HTML."

It really depends who is writing the HTML... it seems to me that it would be much easier to make a mess of Java than HTML.

I find embedding multiple languages into one file is always messy. Below is a sample of what I was thinking of.

<CODE>

HTMLDocument myDoc = new HTMLDocument("My Title Bar");

myDoc.addHeader(new HTMLHeader("content-type", "text/html"));
myDoc.addHeader(new HTMLHeader("author","John Doe"));
myDoc.addHeader(new File("myHeaders.html");

myDoc.addScript("javascript", new File("myjsscript.js"))

HTMLTable myTable = new HTMLTable();
HTMLRow currentRow

while (some condition) {
currentRow = new HTMLRow();
currentRow.add("value1");
currentRow.add("","54%");
currentRow.add("value3", "10%", new HTMLColor(50,30,150));
myTable.add(currentRow);
}

myDoc.add(myTable);
myDoc.add(new File("myfooter.html");

out.print(myDoc); // For HTML 4.0
out.print(myDoc.toXHTML); // For XHTML 1.1

</CODE>