I need a VB 5 or 6 compiler that is NOT CCE. Can you help me? PLEASE??? I need it to start marketing my software - anything would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)

You won't be helped very well here.

Kazaa, or buy it, or better yet learn C++. I swear to god the next person that mentions VB around here is getting their user name, IP, and email address banned

Hey, don't persecute VB users... just because they have simplistic minds ;)

Erm if your in full time education you can get the full visual studio with a proper M$ liscence (ie no copyright violations) for ?80.

y cant we mention VB here??? strange??? hmm..can to explain...dun ban me for that..

You can mention it, as far as I'm concerned. It's just that CodeRed has these fits of elitism sometimes. What I don't like seeing is people advocating software piracy.

There is no reason to use Visual Basic. There are many superior languages that actually have multiple free compilers available.

That's why it doesn't make sense to mention VB here.

I agree, VB is just pure laziness, and pure stupidity. (Now is not the time to remind me that Im taking on Computers at A Level which teaches VB Psion) Learn a decent language. If your looking for a simple to hand-code-GUI language and your not too worried about speed (You obviously can't be since your using VB), then try Java

Just to say, as I usually do... VB isn't great for learning programming, but it's a decent language for production. Calling it lazy is very inaccurate.

- taubz

I agree there are better languages but it's easy and widely popular. Beside, for production and rapid application development, Microsoft tools for Visual Basic are much smoother to use and more intuitive.

Young programmers are attracted to Visual Basic because it allow them to quickly drag & drop to build their apps and impress their friends. Once they start to know what they are doing, they often turn to other languages.

Of course it's not cross-platform...
Of course there is no free compiler tools for VB(5|6)

But if we are starting to ostracize people on the language they use, we might as well rename ourselves to SML Programmer Unite or Elite Programmer Unite.

You can create a drag-and-drop dialogue editor for any language in a day. I don't think either of you has a compelling point, given the lack of expressiveness of the VB language in general.

I did not state a compelling point I agree.

This topic should have been locked after the first reply since it's about warez. I don't think VBcore2004 is following the thread anyway.

But I like to raison another point: Answering something like "VB suck" when somebody ask a perfectly valid question about VB does not help to draw them back to TPU and eventually change their mind over VB.

Thats a good point about it being a quick language for construction.

You know what they say... Programmers come expensive...Machine Cycles come cheap.

I really at this point have realised that my opinion of VB is really based on other peoples influences. Other than a Hello World Ap and a very simple clicky thing I made in 5 mins in school the other day, I've never really used VB.

Who cares if it looks shitty, if its good enough to make certain commercial aps, then you may as well use it.

In defense of VB....

Why should I use C++ to program something if I can create the exact same functionality in half the time with Visual Basic? Sure, if I'm writing a top-of-the line FPS I'm gonna use C/C++ - the project warrants it. But if I'm developing an FTP client that doesn't even care what fps it runs at, or if it can process 100 character AIs at once, why should I waste the extra time to write in what is supposedly a "superior" language?

In all reality, C++ is not "superior" to VB - they just have different niches.

If you want to feel "elite" for your own self-esteem, fine. But just know that I'm going to be sitting here not caring a bit, except knowing that I was able to put more time into actually designing and implementing useful functionality, instead of spending time coding in a less efficient language for my chosen project.

As for this forum, it is you, CodeRed, that should be banned, for your truly condescending and hurtful attitude.

Between C++ and VB the issue is not very clear for some applications.

Between ML and either of C++ or VB, it's very clear. You can generally develop Pretty Much Anything more quickly in ML than in either, and [always with VB/usually with C++] end up with more efficient code. You also end up with easier to maintain and understand programs for larger projects.

So... my condemnation of VB stands, though it does not come from a "C is the standard" viewpoint!