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Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 12:50:36 PM

TPU SUCKS! Hahahaha , well i dont like it , you people bully me , TPU SUCKS , BYE , best of luck !

+ I AM RUSSIAN AND RUSSIA IS POWERFUL AS EVERY RUSSIAN MAN 18-50 CAN FIGHT TO CREATE A HUGE ARMY WHILE AMERICA ONLY HAS A PROFESSIONAL ARMY !!! HAHAHAHA

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 12:56:45 PM

We are studying a poem from Henry V By William Shakespeare in English, called "Before Agincourt" Read It.

Vladimir_l: Do you think if Russia didn't have its stockpile of rusty neuclear weapons left over from the Cold War, that anyone would even have the time of day for Russia. Russia's only remaining power is this rusty stockpile. Russia is old hat and definately not powerful.

Admins: When are you gonnal implement thread locking based on an administrators click? i think here would be an ideal time to use that ability.

And "bully". Vlad ... what do you honestly expect? And for feck's sake, leave for once and fucking all.



Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 01:02:34 PM

bye, again.
Good luck with the army, I think I have some weapons grade plutonium laying around here somewhere...

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 01:15:29 PM

I wonder, if you dislike TPU so much, why do you go through the trouble of writting it down here?

And if Russia is so powerfull, why can't it deal with the terrorists?

And why do you mention the US army? Most of us aren't US citizens.

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 02:01:18 PM

RedX: No one, no matter how powerful can control terrorism.

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 02:22:10 PM

Were it possible, I would bronze this thread for a lifetime keepsake.

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 02:30:42 PM

He'll be back. Just like taxes and hurricanes.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 03:16:15 PM

Ooooo... the russians are all powerful with armies of poorly trained civilians, whatever will the United States do, please don't hurt us mister russian. Tell me Vlad, why is it that when Russia tried to invade afghanistan they were there for several years and accomplished nothing until they crawled away broken and exhausted with their tails between their legs, when shortly after the United States CONQUERED THE ENTIRE DAMN COUNTRY AND OVERTHREW IT'S GOVERNMENT AND INSTALLED A PUPPET REGIME UNDER OUR COMMAND IN A MATTER OF MONTHS. Pussy ass Russians

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 03:34:37 PM

Did it even cross your minds that prehaps he was 'joking'? I think his point about the army is that in Russia people are freely permitted to form Free Lance Armies, where in Amerika such a thing would be uterly that would be unthinkable.

Any way, bye Vlad and good luck with your move!!!

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 03:44:34 PM

Well you are all forgetting you live in a non conscription country hhhahaha. COnscription means the whole male population get 2 years training ( around 95 % of the male population , the 5% are the one that go to uni AND then affter that get a PhD ). So every village or province has its own regiments , when russia ever goes to an all out war all of its population is really ready for fighting. At 15 usually , at school or appropriatte facility , training is given in shooting low-calibre hand guns , low-calibre optical rifles, medium-calibre rifles and how to maintain them. Kalashnikov 77 high-calibre machine gun training is only given as on how to repair it , as live shooting from a K77 is dangerous. Anyway that means that even under 18 most people ( i can ) take off ( kill ) a man with a gun and optical rifle with low ( 5.6mm ) or medium ( 7.62mm ) calibre loaded. Well this summer i got some practice ( 40 shots ) with a rifle and a gun , i think i am pretty confortable , anyway my point is like in North Korea and China ( and Argentian , we all love them ) there is conscription. Thats why the most powerful nations are China , North Korea , Russia.

Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 03:45:55 PM

ltinitl, you are gullible... Vlad was not joking, he is really a arrogant little bastard just like his message shows.

Oh well, I shouldn't tell that. You are maybe just 'too kind' :P

Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 03:46:45 PM

vladimir_l: Would you GO AWAY for once?? I don't mind you decide to keep on annoying people on this forum as it doesn't mean much to me. But if you want to leave, LEAVE AND DON'T F***ING COME BACK GODAMNIT!.

Posted by gian [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:27:08 PM

I think I might make a limited edition bronze inscription of this thread... available for only $9.99 for limited time only. Call now for your numbered collectors "Vlad is stupid" plaque.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:39:26 PM

No , I'm just really a bit on the edge lately work & no sleep hahahah well regular breaks mind you. I might have been a bit on the edge , but my point is that violence is bad hhahhaha and " chechnya should be tackeled peacefully , by blocking money , then slowly destryoing the terrrorists while making the new chechyan genreation ahte the terrorists " - hahahha thats my point.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:39:38 PM

It was publicity :)/:)

Posted by gian [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:41:04 PM

hahahahhaa.... "TPU SUCKS! Hahahaha , well i dont like it , you people bully me , TPU SUCKS , BYE , best of luck !"

Yes, that's exactly what it seemed like you were suggesting.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:42:21 PM

hahahhah i love publicity and seeing how people react ahhhh well i[m a failure at making people hate me , they just dialike me huh well.... anyway ... i thought that if i made all the people at tpu hate me i would never come back !

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:43:30 PM

It was a trick so i could stop going on TPU , things like GIAN SUCKS ! and Nue[sucks] , ( i am joking in the two examples )!

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 04:48:38 PM

"Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, *04:42:21* AM"

"Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, *04:43:30* AM "

Someone please inform Vlad that forum horing stopped a few months ago when we got rid of member stats.

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 05:27:46 PM

Neuman, I'm not gullible.

I think conscription is very profitable, the United States could learn a thing or two [Okee, ALOT] from their neighbors. A country at war should be the whole country not just military.

When it all comes down to it, the central goverment of the United States is communist.

Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 05:29:54 PM

Oh well, let's forgive him all. He smoke too much atomic bongs.

Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 06:13:28 PM

The US could learn alot of *EVERYTHING*

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 06:28:01 PM

I think the UK should introduce a new scheme.

1) Half the number of university places(Mainly offering alot fewer media studies places and a lot more science type subjects, but still cutting the total number avaliable).

2) Introduce three years of conscription for non-university-goers, where they are taught a little how to fight, but mainly a trade, like how to be an electrician or mechanic. Thatway, unless you wanted to go in the army, there would be an incentive to do well in school so that everyone could try to get into University (This would only work if the conscription had a reputation as brutal and very very tough)

* That isn't an original idea of mine, nut I agree with it.

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 08:22:40 PM

Conscription is good!

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 08:32:13 PM

Vladimir, are you a communist?! That's cool I never met a communist before.

Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 08:41:36 PM

There's usually a communist about on #tpu.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 09:02:30 PM

Myself and all of my friends are proficient in the use small and medium arms vlad, conscription is not necessary in the US since we are all gun nuts anyways. I'd like to see your village armies go up against street gangs in NYC, or the NRA in the midwest

Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 09:37:55 PM

why do these thread always get so much attention?

Posted by gian [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 10:06:34 PM

"There's usually a communist about on #tpu"

If not several!

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 10:10:13 PM

Who are you talking about on #tpu? Smerdiyakov?

That would make an interesting battle, Free Lance Russian Armies, vs. NY stree gangs and NRA. Gangs have some combat experience, but very poor technique, while NRA would have better technique, but little actual combat experience [In most cases]. I haven't studied Russia very much, so I cant say much on them.

Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 29, 2002, 11:23:34 PM

I think watching the pope fight it out with a stephen hawkings would be more interesting.

Nah, Stephen Hawkings is too cool.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 05:07:06 AM

Well i am a communist ( as it says in my birth cerificate ) , but I HAVENT BEEN SMOKING ATOMIC BONGS , anyhow hhahaha we dont have street gangs , we have a trained army which could go against the street gangs with ease .... we do have tactical missiles , mig-29's e.t.c. you know. Just sending in a small battalion of tanks T-90's or T-82's with air support should do it with no casualties .... unless your street gangs have AA guns. I do think conscription is England would be a good thing ( as in any country ) , but its not possible , however good its results.

Posted by CViper [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 05:38:28 AM

now that's something I want to see... street gangs with AA guns. definitifly fun!

Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 05:57:44 AM

CodeRed.. What you're doing now is the reason for the biggest losses in any war.. Underestimating what you're up against. Now, there's currently no war between Russia and the US, but know this..

If Russia and USA got into a war now, USA would not come out as the "winner". First of all, because there's no realy winner in a war, and second, cuz Americans tend to believe they're invincible, which is a huuuge mistake in *any* war.

Oh, and the comment by RedX, about Russia not being able to deal with terrorism.. Let's compare the civilian loss of 9/11 to that of the recent Russian theatre takeover, shall we?

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 06:09:41 AM

I dont think Russia and USA will ever go to war , now ... but USA and China || USA and North Korea is a possibility... and China and North Korea are not to be messed with. America has lost its military supremacy all over the world , thus they are for some strange reason trying to battle our good freind Suddam. I know Suddam is dangerous , but he doesnt pose a 1/100 of the danger North Korea do , so why wont Bush go against North Korea .... the answer is simple. But i do think wars have no winner , i am all for America ( i dont mean the people , only Bush & the parliament , politians are not people are they ?) stopping all of their stupid publicity campaigns , and i do hope Iraq shows him that what he is doing is wrong !

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 06:13:39 AM

RedX , yeah we cant deal with terrorism , we cant deal with Chechnya for the last 450 years , but thats because they are using -->> guerilla warfare <<-- something that is -->> impossible <<-- to defeat with strenght , either with peace or Nazi type brutality , peace is the only humane option ... i think that the russian adminstration will realise that and strat cutting off the money from georgia peacefully , after the chechnyans have no money to support terrorism they will back down. However another chechnyan attack may prompt sever violence only escalating the loss. As chechnyans are russian citizens , really the losses of civilian life on russia could go into the 100,000's.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 08:04:04 AM

AngelOD, We have never lost a war and our first sure as hell wouldn't be to Russia

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 08:21:03 AM

CodeRed , do you read history books ? Wars are always losses , and i can name one off my head already VIETHNAM , now there ... because , if you read history books again , when a country like the viehnamese is fighting to save themselves on their land they will always win. Like russia in 1942 , it was not the technology , it was the fact that the Germans were not on their own land , that crummbbled their armies. Another intresting defeat is Napoleon. I think most people would agree that America didnt even fight in Afganistan , so we can rule that out as a victory and Iraq will be intresting. As millions of iraq people who are fighting for their land and their children go again the US army , people will most probably go as far as using kitchen crockery to kill american soldiers , need be. Warfare is always not nice , but thats life.

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 08:23:04 AM

Dealing with terrorisme has nothing to do with putting more soldiers on it. It's about solving the reason why those people like to blow up things. Power is not just the total amount of killing materials. It's also about political strenght. You can't defeat guerilla or terrorist fighters with standard G.I. Joe's. But you can defeat them by politics. Terrorist or guerilla organisations can't function without civilian support and the civilians will support them for as long as they can promise some benefits. If these benefits are optained, why would they keep supporting them?

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 09:04:17 AM

The only difference between a terrorist and a soldier is that a soldier kills more people...(voltaire)

Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 09:05:40 AM

Hell, even Canada has won a war against the US.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 09:33:02 AM

Well , yes , i completely agree with RedX , making the civilian population think that their own terrorists are bad is the way forward. But that is hard to achieve. Well American Adminstration isnt really "fighting" a war on terror , just sponsoring other terrorists and helping them to defeat the ones they dotn want. In afganistan , if you would like to know , CodeRed , the people who won were the Northern Alliance. They won because Russia decided to give them stockpiles of old tanks , ammunition e.t.c. If Russia did not help , we would still be stting in front of our screens watching americans poinlessly bomb either 1) fields 2) civilians 3) norther alliance troops. Anyway does anyone think that the news everywhere even the CNN and BBC is always spinned , its so hard to get a non-biased news bulletin these days ...

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 10:32:14 AM

Hmm... Theres a big empty area in northern asia know as "Siberia", and if I was China, with my 1 billion population, I'd be looking very keenly at possibly doubling my teritory, since Russia doesn't use Siberia much at all.

If two major countries go to war, believe it or not, it'll be Russia or China. (I heard that from someone who knows about these things, trust me).

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 10:56:35 AM

Siberia is not populated do to the reason most of it very boggy or very cold. Since China doesnt have a lot of settlements in the north anyhow , it would be a little bit hard. If you have a look on your atlas , you will see that there are limited settlements there , which are now very much deserted as there is really no work -> no money. I dont know , but probably Russia has moderate relations with China , and very good relations with North Korea ( ** we supply their weapons and some other stuff ** ). However the USSR's relations with China were good then bad as far as i recall....

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 11:02:04 AM

vladimir_l: When the going gets tough, and China needs more land, they'll steel whatever they can get.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 12:03:27 PM

But China has plenty of land in the North used for farming , some Rural areas. And i dont think you could farm siberia ... well the southern part near china - yes , but it would be cheaper to buy food from russia ( who has stockpiles of grain ) that chopping down masses of forest and attempting to farm it , plus chinas leaders are notstupid , they know russia has many allies ( e.g. North Korea ) and a clothches of bad land are not worth a wat with North Korea and Russia as North Korea and Russia total a force which is much stronger than China. North Korea is a burden to China , but the cost of its removal it too high , here America and China have the same viewpoint ...

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 12:22:07 PM

North Korea is a burden to China?! How? Didn't China help North Korea alot during the Korea war? Have you moved back to Russia yet? What does Russia as a majority think of Amerika, Canada and Japan?

Posted by CViper [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 01:07:21 PM

RDD: there is something called an terror-balance. I'd say china would ge looking elsewere for trouble, since russia still has that "stockpile of rusty neuclear weapons" - that is unless china likes big smoking holes in the ground.

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 01:42:04 PM

CViper: They won't try until those weapons have been decomissioned. Which will be a while. As I said it may or may not happen in our lifetime but it might very possibly happen within our childrens lifetime. Besides I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to use them.

Does China have nukes?

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 01:57:15 PM

Unfortunately Russia still has factories that produce and sell weapons , so we will not run out ... Russian people hate America at most , they dont really care about Canada and Japan. The Korean war was a long time ago ! Anyhow , China has many Nukes ( obviously ... ) , less than russia o america however. Has anyone read or know anything about Sakharov ... well search www.google.com on him , its a very intresting read...

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 03:05:18 PM

Yeah, Andrei Sakharov built hydrogen bomb! He was very anti- aganst the regeme. What kind of goverment does Russia have now? I know they have Prime Minister Vladimir Pueten [sp], btu was it an election?

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 03:09:42 PM

So? Germany build the first H-bomb. They called it the Hindenburg.

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 04:06:56 PM

Hydrogen bombs don't require any actual neuclear (plutonium) materials to be produced? Do They?

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 04:25:42 PM

Russia is a Democratic country , with a president and and parliament and duma. All elected. And our politians are the worst pigs in the world , funny at times , only when drunk. However Putin , is a bad man , but a good politician - he is the president. Hey every1 this is pretty cool http://www.d116.com/. Anyhow Sakharov was a great man , my dad attended some of his lectures and says he was very wise and brave to go afainst his own country and protest again the bomb ...

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 05:46:16 PM

Actually an real fusion H-bom is a fission bomb with a chemical mixture containing deuterium or tritium around it. The fission bomb creates the required amount of heat and pressure to start the fusion reaction.

Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 06:25:54 PM

deuterium and tritium is 'heavy' hydrogen isn't.

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 07:09:40 PM

yes

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 08:24:09 PM

Vlad, we didn't lose Vietnam, we withdrew, if we thought it was worth the casaulties we would have suffered we could have been victorious. Seeing as how we were their to help the South Vietnamese and not ourselfes we didn't feel it was worth the trouble.

Posted by mop [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 08:26:54 PM

I like it when these pointless arguements result in people ending up representing their country with "we"

Posted by ItinitI [send private reply] at October 30, 2002, 09:19:07 PM

I think bad people, good politians is pretty much global. Though occasionaly you do come accross some pople that have the novel ability to be good people as well as good politians.

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at October 31, 2002, 05:56:11 AM

War only creates more war.

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at October 31, 2002, 06:39:13 AM

Codered You did lost that war. You lost it the day the first bullet was fired. Vietnam lost it on the exact same moment.
The people who won that (and any other) war were the one selling the weapons.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at October 31, 2002, 07:22:32 AM

Well arent good politicians , ones that have been well propagated ... anyway Vietnam was a total faulure if you read it from the eyes of a soldier , not the media. Vietnam was lost completely , when the North Vietnamese got something called AA machines and missiles and russian jets. Then the american troops were in a jungle on planes been bombarded by various aa guns ... and at home thousands of hippies were protesting.

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