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Posted by CViper [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 04:40:35 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/product_news_display.php?story=1483
A graphics card with 1GHZ (!!!) memory? Are they kidding?
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 06:21:34 PM
is that good or bad? (newbie question).
Posted by tdkyo [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 07:08:50 PM
good :-)
Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 09:34:37 PM
diego: Yeah! 1 Ghz memory is alot of memory! ;)
Posted by mop [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 11:47:40 PM
Neumann beat me to the sarcastic remark!
I can't be bothered to sign up, so it's either the video card has 1 ghz of processing power, or 1 gb of ram.
Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at November 22, 2002, 11:51:53 PM
the article says 1 ghz of memory. I suppose it might mean that the memory is incredibly fast on the card, or that the article is wrong.
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 12:32:32 PM
It uses DDR2, in which the data fetch size is increased from 2 to 4 bits. It operates on a 500mhz bus (500x2=1000mhz) offering 40GB/s throughput. But that is not the halve of it, it's core speed will be 500mhz, it will offer 64 and 128 bit color (most of you right now are either using 16 or 32bit, go to display properties -> settings to see), 8x hardware anti-aliasing, 4:1 loss-less color compression, adaptive texture filtering, and next generation vertex and pixel shaders. Some other features include: AGP 8x support, .13 micron fabrication process, 8 pixels per clock cycle, 125 million transistors on die, 51 billion floating point operations per second in the pixel shader alone. It is expected to give 3x the framerate of the Geforce 4
Some pics Demo board: http://img.hexus.net/FX/gfx.jpg The Die: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/dieshot.jpg Screenshots from the Dawn tech demo: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/Demo/Dawn_01.jpg Screenshots from time machine demo: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/Demo/TimeMach_01.jpg Screenshot from Rallisport Challenge: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/Games/RalliSport_02.jpg Screenshor from Command & Conquer: Generals: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/Games/CCGen_01.jpg Screenshot from the Unreal engine: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/img/Games/Unreal_GFFX_01.jpg DirectX 9 programmability: http://www.guru3d.com/tech/geforcefx/Untitled-6.jpg
Posted by mop [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 12:53:31 PM
maybe now playing doom III will be feasable..
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 04:19:42 PM
Please, that'll be like playing the original doom on my Geforce 4, ever see the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, or Shrek? If not they are made using entirely computer rendered graphics, those are the kind of graphics we will in real time games with this card
Posted by CViper [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 04:51:43 PM
actually, I gotta confess, that I didn't realize it said 1 GHZ memory until now... somehow I connected that with one GB memory, which would be kinda unrealistic. :D
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 05:16:51 PM
The amount of memory is dependant on the card manufacturers and has little to do with the actual GPU, there very well might be cards with 1gb of memory, but I doubt it, 256mb will be likely though
Posted by CViper [send private reply] at November 23, 2002, 05:28:07 PM
"unrealistic" was maybe a bad choice of words...
I was just thinking, that most of the people only have about 256 or 512 mb system-ram - and how do you fill 1gb of video ram with something meaningfull? That's a *lot* of textures, vertices/mesh-data and whatever. and that 500mhz gpu there is just a bit faster than my current main-cpu :) btw: I read somewhere that they did render Final Fantasy realtime on a GF4... don't know about the quality though.
Posted by mop [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 12:26:34 AM
you could install the whole game onto the ram of the video card.
I can see rendering Final Fantasy as seen exactly in the movie quality wise relatively soon.
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 03:49:19 PM
"you could install the whole game onto the ram of the video card"
Now there's an idea (kind of)!!! With most people having 512mb or greater system memory now adays, why not make games that copy themselves to system memory before they run, that would completely eliminate loading screens or any slowdown due to HDD activity (which is extrememly slow). I wouldn't put it in video memory because much of that is actually used in mathematical algorithms and crap to render the scene (textures, bump maps, alpha maps etc.)
Posted by CViper [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 05:21:23 PM
Too bad that games reach the sizes of 1 to 2 gb (not ghz, dammit :D). Last time I installed a new game, I had to throw out most of the other software :/
Posted by gian [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 05:51:18 PM
I just keep putting hard drives in my machine... I'm up to 110GB of storage now.
Posted by regretfuldaydreamer [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 06:23:44 PM
I'm trying to wean a 120gb hard disk out of my parents, but its not going too well.
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 24, 2002, 06:46:29 PM
I'm crankin along pretty well with my old 20gb
Posted by DragonWolf [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 06:11:44 AM
Someone is on the Gamasutra mailing list and actually reads the articles..
I see no reason to get the Geforce FX yet, since none of the current games nor the upcoming games need anything bigger than a Geforce 4 ti4200. Plus DDR2 memory will cost a bomb. Buying 256Meg of DDR2 memory will probably cost you as much as the current Geforce 4 ti 4600, then add the chip costs and development costs. I don't even want to think of how much that thing is gonna cost.
Posted by DragonWolf [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 06:15:18 AM
hmm.. looking @ those screenshots makes me eat my own words. Maybe some of them do use Geforce FXs features ^^
Posted by CViper [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 11:52:10 AM
yes, I'm actually reading the articles... some of them are kinda interesting :)
ohh, well, I'm getting along with an 8gb hd, so I'll guess it's another article on the to-upgrade list. my gf3 works fine though; still I woudn't mind a gf fx (the unreal screenie looks very nice) EDIT: the dawn screenshot looks nicer :P
Posted by mop [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 05:42:29 PM
Well, I think it's been established that the only limit is artistic talent, I wonder how many people are going to care about that?
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 05:46:41 PM
"EDIT: the dawn screenshot looks nicer :P"
Yeah baby!!! Can anyone say "Adult games" :D
Posted by mop [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 06:46:53 PM
the only adult game I know, BMX XXX, is EXTREMELY stupid..
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 25, 2002, 08:18:16 PM
I know of many games with adult content... most of it sucks though
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at November 27, 2002, 11:18:11 PM
Hey, you know the R300 (Radeon 9xxx) is faster than this...it appears that the bad stuff nVidia did to 3dfx is coming back to haunt them. Repeat after me: nVidia is going to lose, finally.
Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at November 28, 2002, 12:49:04 AM
The R300 is coming out like 6 months after the nv30, of course it will be better, by that time nVidia will be well on their way to developing it's next chip.
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