Hi my name is Drew and I have been programming in VB and am currently trying to learn C++, I have been thinking about a game development team which is made for complete newbies for VB or C++. If you want to join or have some questions email me at aragorn_2768@yahoo.com

With a name like that you'll never get anywhere! :p

I've had this name for ages and it has stuck I'm not changing it, who cares anyway ya [explicit content deleted -gian]!

* Gian uses a gun to do some target practise using Newbie1's & Chollman82's head.
(This used to say * Gian uses a gun to do some target practise using Newbie1's head.)
I think you'd be better off looking for a project on sourceforge that suits you, or just searching the web for one... Often if the person facilitating is still learning, it can be bad. That is one reason why TPU has been (for the most part) successful, because people like Psion and Lordaerom are quite experienced programmers, and can for the most part answer any questions that no-one else can.

How's that?

Of course! Gaz...
"...because people like Psion, Lordaerom, and DrDevil are quite experienced programmers"

CHollman82? I'm all out...

Hmm.. Why did this blubbery piece of something just hit me? It smells terrible, and it came from that direction.

* AngelOD points to gian and CHollman

angel -- they're having spam wars, i wouldn't take it too seriously...

It was rather amusing actually...

Indeed I am, CHollman. I think she looks cute, although there's something seriously wrong with her lips.. Anyway, she's probably a nice girl, and I bet she could make an excellent friend, but she's definately nowhere *near* arousing to look at (in my opinion, that is).

I guess you won't..

Oh? You mean it affected your friendship when you told him that you never wanted to see or hear from him again, until he snapped out of his silly homosexuality? (Not flaming you this time, CHollman.. I've just had this happen to me more often than I would wish for even my worst enemies)

chollman -- affect how? I mean, i have lesbian and gay friends... didn't really change much.

And it shouldn't change *anything* (except if you're homosexual/bisexual, and you find out you've had a crush on eachother for years *grin*).

Hmm.. Are you by any chance a christian, CHollman? Those are the only people I've encountered, who acts like that.. Spending the night with that guy won't make you gay, CHollman, and I'm quite certain he won't rape you either. When he came out to you, he took one of the biggest risks of his life.. He could've lost a friend, and according to you, he almost did..

Being gay is not something we choose to be, but it's a natural part of us, and just admitting it to myself was hard enough.. It certainly wasn't easier to tell my friends.. Funny enough, of all the friends I had, not 1 of the non-christian friends left, while about 15 christian friends broke contact immediately.. If I meet them somewhere, they swiftly greet me, and then walks away..

However.. Even though it wasn't easy losing friends like that, I tend to tell myself, that they can't have been my friends at all.. They just pretended it, I guess.

i say 'good for you' at the risk of offending someone i'm sure, but good for you anyway. religion's tricky.

Okay then.. But please explain to me, why spending the night with your friend is impossible for you.. I'm really curious about how the mind of a str8 guy works.. None of my friends seems to have a problem with me, but I might encounter one of two who does.. Would be nice to know what's on their mind..

Anyway, if you can explain it, that would be great. :o)

angel -- tell me this. you wouldn't hit on a guy you knew was straight, right? i would assume that's part of what makes it uncomfortable...

...maybe not. jeez! who cares, chollman?! you don't care what people think of you here, is it really all that different in RL for you?

Ye gawds! You're afraid of what others will think of you?? That's really silly.. People think whatever they want to, and it shouldn't matter to you at all.. *shakes his head, sighing softly*

infryq: Not at all! I want them to respect my limits, and hitting on them would be violating *their* limits.. But not only that, it could also prove to cause my sudden demise..

That being said.. I have done it in good fun with some of my close, personal friends, but it was nothing serious, and they knew that.. We just like to play around, having fun with it. :o)

yes, i am asking. i don't act any differently in RL except for a vocabulary downgrade. it's confusing otherwise -- i have two friends that, i swear, completely swap personalities when they're online. the quiet one's the one making all the clever remarks, and the guy that just won't shut up keeps to himself. what's wrong with being yourself?

I agree with infryq here. I'm no different in RL than on here. I normally care about people's limits and emotions and such, but I couldn't care less about them and their stuff, if they don't like me because of my sexuality. :o)

C82 - what prevents you from using your deftly sharpened wit with people you can actually *see*?

angel - exactly what i thought. and friends having fun is different... it's good to have people that can take a joke

it's true. but conversations "like this"? what do you mean? i'd agree being cornered by two people isn't much fun...

infryq: Indeed! I hit on them, they hit me.. All in good fun.. Oh, and to ruin any mental picture of me that anyone might have.. I am not at all feminine in my appearence and/or behaviour (just ask any person who has been near me while I drink coke or beer *chuckle*)

that'd be...interesting. kindof counterproductive though. the whole human reprouctive system favors heteros.

you think it matters? it is. Whether it is genetic or environmenyal is a moot point, because it is a fact. Please _do_ enlighten us as to why you think it matters.

buzgub- it matters because it's a trait just like hair color and height and intelligence. people wonder where those traits come from, why not sexual orientation? i think that's perfectly viable.

Some say it's genetic, others claims it's a result of how you grow up, and then there are others who says it's a disease.. I don't really believe that being gay is something that's transferred with the genes.. However, I agree that it could be somewhat connected to what environment you grow up in..

Either way, I'm happy to have learned to accept myself.. I tried denying what I was for several years.. In the end I just managed to hurt some girls' emotions because I couldn't be open to them (kinda hard to do when your biggest secret will spoil everything).

Now, however, I have girls who are closer to me than most friends I've ever had.. We even go out, looking at guys together. *grin*

c82-- umm... not two completely caucasians, no... you have to have some dark pigment genes in there somewhere :) otherwise *somebody*'s been fooling around.

not a likely mutation to occur, is it? Nigh on impossible.

I find it interesting that as I wrote about how some people considers it to be a disease, CHollman described it as being an illness...

c82-all possible mutations are equally likely, you're just as likely to be more susceptible to cancer as have a darker skin color... not to mention the hundreds of genes alone associated with even miniscule traits. biology rocks :)

they do. and there are a wide variety of genetic diseases to show for it, and it's also what makes everyone just as happily different as we are.

Jesus! How can you even *ask* that CHollman?? I told you I'm perfectly happy being gay.. However, I dislike being told I have some kind of mental disease, just cuz I like guys instead of girls..

Nope.. Not horrified.. I was very confused about it, mostly because tolerance weren't as great back then.. I tried denying it, mostly because I was a devoted born again christian at that time, but since I believe in thinking for yourself, I didn't listen to them, and started working on figuring it out.. In the end I left church and suddenly all my depressions vanished in thin air. :o)

good plan. i oughtta do that too. thanks for staying up with us, angel.

wow... we're contending with the "which programming language is easier?" thread that just refused to die... and this was only like 3 hours... *awe*

It's noon here, so really, I should be thanking you two. *grin* Sleep well. :o)

blah. noon? well *fine* :)

*chuckle* Take care.. I'm sure I'll see you two lurking around these boards again soon. :P

There is _some_ evidence that homosexuality may have something to do with chemical imbalances in the brain, but I don't think there is much people can do about it, even if they wanted to... I think that the closest thinng they've found towards a "cure" (No offense, I use the term loosely) is rigourous mental conditions (aka. "Brainwashing").

how the hell did 60 odd message get posted in a few hours?

have_dinner: Several of us were on at once... it was almost like online chat, only not in real time or fancy...

gian: I like your way of saying it.. Brainwashing.. Yeah, that would probably describe the "cure" quite well..

have_dinner: By 3-4 people continuously checking the boards for replies to their latest posts. :o)

Yes, I was watching Sally Jesse Raphael the other day (Dam, that makes me sound like trailer trash... I was home sick, daytime TV) and it had about these christian programs to help people become "ex-gays" it was actually quite sickening the way they would so blantantly belittle homosexuals, right to their faces...

I encounter that right here, in my home.. I can be having a calm conversation with my mum, when suddenly she'll point at me and say: "You *will* bend your knees before the lord, and turn away from your wicked path." *shudder*

:-o

How I wish I was only kidding.. But no, she also smears some of my things in oil (the stuff you use for cooking).. Mainly my computer (all parts of it), my stereo, my books and my chair.. :o/

Why? Is there some religious significance to that, or is it just carelessness?

Religion is what remains when you stop thinking. I often wonder how people can believe in such nonsense (from my point of view), dedicate their lives to it without getting any proof, which confirms the slightest part of it.

RedX

gian: Sorry about the delay.. I was visiting someone.. But yeah, it has some religious significance.. Something about making the thing holy, or some shite like that..

"all possible mutations are equally likely, you're just as likely to be more susceptible to cancer as have a darker skin color"

From a technical standpoint, that's only partially true. I'm fairly certain some areas of our genome are more susceptible to mutations than others. In addition, while a point mutation (single change in a base pair) might be farily equally likely anywhere, the complexity of the trait that you're talking about affects how likely a trait may be affected by a mutation.

I would guess susceptibility to cancer is a very easy mutation - a single point mutation will push a cell into disaster. Skin color, on the other hand, is affected by many many genes. One point mutation may not have any noticible effect.

- taubz

Wow cool.. Who would've known that me coming out on here would spawn a discussion about mutations? *grin*

Well, at least, when I think of mutations, it is CHollman that comes to mind.

Experienced user know this phenomenon. It originates out the fact that threads and the internet in general, are a form of relatively controlled chaos.

RedX

Well, personally I'm a committed born again Christian, and being committed means I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And when he said "love thy neighbour as thyself", I figure that means everybody, gay or not, black or white, old or young. I find it absolutely disgusting that people can claim they are Christians and yet be so hypocritical. Your mother really has it backwards, AngelOD. The correct Christian response to having a son that is guy is to do absolutely nothing different. The whole oil thing is seriously strange. And I'm not saying anything bad about your mother, just that what she's doing is wrong from a Christian standpoint.

actually, sometimes unfortunately, christianity gives a lot of leeway in that respect. while it'd be really nice if all christians thought as you do sphinX, some people take out little clips of the bible and interpret them the way they want to. the fact that genesis says god made man and woman to be together, and not man and man or woman and woman, gives some christians a reason to hate homosexuals. kudos to you for taking the stance that you do... it's a lot less cruel and gives christianity a much pleasanter taste in one's mouth, IMHO.

Pass the salt?

All respect to you sphinX. Actually, it seems to be improving at home as my mother seems terrified that I'll move out, and thus has decided to accept that her oldest son is gay.

Normally she doesn't have any problems with accepting people, but I guess finding out that your son is gay was quite rough.. Oh well, life is great no matter if people accept me or not, so hey. *smile*

Why is it so difficult for so many people to judge people on what they say and do instead of futilities like how they look, what gender they are, or the fact they like people of the same gender?
The world is what you make of it. Time the get the big hammer.

RedX