i want to learn how to ack hotmail.com most sites dont work

Why? Oh, and DON'T (All "hackers" do is Fux up the internet and make my dad afraid to let me use his credit card)

Thats not hacking, thats cracking...

"most sites don't work"
--whatever do you mean, they "don't work"? What are you trying to do with them?

Yes, that's cracking, not hacking. Breaking into a computer, like breaking into any property, is illegal. If you're thinking about taking the risk and you live in the USA, read up on the PATRIOT bill passed siince 9/11. They will find you, and you have no rights.

"Thats not hacking, thats cracking..."

Yeah, thats why I put it in quotes

If you want to crack and not hack then got to news:alt.2600 and learn there. However, you will realise how smart you are when you get busted. People like you give the real hackers a bad name.

And hackers give all computer professionals bad headaches.

do you mean hacker or cracker Gian?

Hackers are true programmers, people who program just for the love of programming. Crackers are people that break into systems. The term hacker has been turned into a negative term by these crackers. I consider myself a hacker and resent anyone who says they are a hacker but are really a cracker.

Isn't a hacker someone who programs poorly, applying "patches" every he finds a problem while debugging instead of going back and doing it right? You know, all microsoft programmers LOL

You cannot call yourself a hacker! Only lamers do that. :). A true hacker is humble and doesn't admit that he is one, because there is always someone better than you.

To be a true hacker you must be called it by others. Yes I think of myself as a hacker, but i wouldn't admint it.

opps that came out wrong. I meant that if someone called me a hacker i would be honoured. Although i think that I a on the way to becoming one.

why does everyone what to "hack" hotmail?? soo you can show off to all your little script kiddy friends?? shesh get a life...learn to program..and if you still want to be a "hacker"...do a google search for "war games" and learn some tricks there where you're safe from the law...

Well, I agree that the term 'hacker' has changed immensely over time, which is why I'd never call myself or anyone I respect a hacker. Instead, I find the simple term 'programmer' to be adequate. It explains what I am, what I do for a living, and what my interest is.. Actually, 'nerdy programmer' or just 'nerd' are terms used by non-programmers, though in a friendly tone. :)

Anyway, my point is, since 'hacker' is a bad term now, I see no reason to use it. It's not all that important, and if they want to give it a bad name, then they should just go ahead.. I know one thing for sure, atleast.. If you apply for a job, and you introduce yourself as a 'hacker' you either won't get the job, or they'll hire you to manage their security, after testing your 'hacking' (cracking) skills.

I personaly think the term "hacker" is worth fighting for, but thats just MHO. But then again, you could always come up with a better name than "hacker.

And also, hackers and programmers arent exactly the same, its true that hackers know how to program, but they also seem to know alot about OS, phones(well, dial tones, connections ect., and electronics in general.

Hacker comes from the term "hack job" meaning something done quickly and carelesly. Even in its original meaning back in the 60's it would not be applied to professionals in the programming field working for IBM or something (Punching punchcards) It was used to describe people that used computers as a hobby (which was rare and abnormal when computers were first introduced)

I really don't understand why those scriptkiddies always want to "hack" hotmail. Why would you want to read other people's spamm. Don't they get enough themselves?

RedX

They want to "check up" on people they know sometimes, see what others are talking about, adn see if they can get any "valuebel" passwords, I would assume.

All script kiddies can die...about 60% of the accesses to unknownlamer.org are for default.ida or ../../winnt/root.exe and stuff. And the machine it is on is a RedHat 7.2 machine...dumbasses.

LOL, trying to get to NT's root dir on a Linux box, morons :)

And this is probably where it's appropriate to say that it's most likely not script kiddies, but a worm that slinks around the internet, exploiting a bug in IIS (one of many). In fact, I believe one of the more famous viruses that spreads this way is called Code Red. :D

My cousin has volunteered to let me practice hacking into her computer... Is there ne other possible way that i could get in trouble (Besides my cousin telling on me.. which she wouldnt)... and how.. thanx

It *is* illegal to hack/crack a computer.

Actually, it's not illegal if you've gotten the permission from the owner of the system. I know this, cuz one of the companies that develops hardware firewalls asked people to crack it, and if they succeeded they would get the firewall, and the computer it protected. This was approved legally, btw.

Yeah, of course.

I have two words for popsicle41: very gay

and btw popsicle41: i know a way to "hack" hotmail, get Microsoft Hacker 99', it's the best

Hmm, after checking all meanings of the word 'gay' I still can't see how that shows through popsicle41's post. The person's sexuality doesn't show through a post like that, nor does a post make a person a cheerful/lighthearted, or bright/lively..

I could be wrong ofcourse, and it's not important either, was just thinking, cuz a lot of you tend to use that word in lots of situations where I can't figure out the logic for it. :)

I'll try to explain without hurting *anyones* feelings. Gay is generally considered to be a negative trait, by using it to describe popsicle41's desire to hack hotmail faisal is simply expressing his dissaproval. It is similar to calling somthing/someone retarded, they probably are not retarded but since no one wants to be retarded it is a negative thing to say about them. Midgets have to learn to live in our world AngelOD, we aren't going to change for them, get my drift?

Actually I don't "get your drift", CodeRed. If you browse through this discussion, and the one created (without any real purpose), people are talking about reclaiming the term "hacker" from the rest of the world, expecting that everyone changes their opinion of that particular term.

Now, the discussion is useless first of all, and second.. The people trying to reclaim the term are the minority here, meaning they probably won't succeed.. Doesn't stop people from trying, though..

I'm the same way with the term "gay". I am gay, and will keep on fighting for my right to be respected/accepted for who and what I am. Now I *know* it's impossible to get any respect or accept from you, CodeRed, especially since I like guys, but that's not a big problem for me.. However, I would prefer it if you stopped replying to my posts in a negative tone. If you don't have anything constructive or useful to say to me, shut up.

Oh, and another thing.. Calling me a midget gets you nowhere.. You could just as easily have called me a part of a minority, and it would've been less insulting. But then again, you live to insult others, atleast if they *are* part of a minority, don't you, CodeRed?

Bah.. This is AngelOD, signing off for now..

You took the tone of my post AND my midget comment as insulting to you? It wasn't intended to be. The midget comment was meant to demonstrate that minorities must learn to live in the world of the majority, it was a metaphore, nothing else. Who said I don't respect you? Okay, this should clear this up, my previous post was not in any way a personal opinion, I was stating facts. The term "gay" IS generally considered to be negative, I never stated my opinion about that, just that it IS. Re-reading my post I don't see how you could've possibly taken it as a personal attack since I never say anything even remotely opinionated.

Well I'm just standing up for my rights as a human being. I didn't choose to "become gay", therefore I will stand up for the term 'gay' when it's used in a negative sense, thus hitting me.

Anyway, I guess your post wasn't opinionated, CodeRed, but I see it as that, due to the fact that you've never seemed to respect me.. Ofcourse, it could just be that we've come off on a wrong start, but I don't know.. Sorry if my previous post seemed like one long rant.. I guess it was.

Let's not start a debate on this again, please. (Inflaming posts will be deleted.)

The definitive answer is this: There exist people who read these message boards who are offended by a connotative use of the word gay. Whether the word is accepted by some people are not, its use in that way is offensive because it truly offends people. Offensive words should not be used in these forums.

- taubz

Hehe, well spoken, Taubz.

I don't mind it all that much, I just see it as my right to comment on it, which I used to do in a negative tone, but now I just write a simple comment about it, hoping that somehow I'll convince people not to use such terms.

Hell, my friends calls me a faggot and what not, and I really don't mind, as long as it's in good spirit. However, using the term as something negative is very offensive to some, and just annoying to some others (like me). :)

OK... BAcK to exploiting Hotmail.....

Crackers or Hackers , however you like to call them , are bad people. How does a person even ask such a question on TPU. Being a global mail provider , hotmail will have protection against 'little' people like you. Microsoft are not idiots.

-Vlad

Cracking hotmail is old. Basicaly every scriptkiddy has asked how to do it. If you really want a trill: crack the CIA-site (or FBI, white house, or NSA, whichever you like). The cracking itself is not as cool, but the SWAT-team visiting you later, will surely provide some action around the house.
(tip: wear kevlar underwear and leave door unlocked, they aren't very patienctly with doors and broken doors might upset your parents, not that that would be a worry for the next five to seven years, that time your worries will involve avoiding horny guys in the prison shower)

RedX

vladmir: I thought we'd already established that crackers are the criminally minded, while hackers are those who are good at working things out, making them work better etc. Install a coffee machine to the side of your system? I'd call you a hacker. Write a replacement TCP/IP stack for the Linux kernel because you believe you can improve the design? You're a hacker.

"Write a replacement TCP/IP stack for the Linux kernel because you believe you can improve the design? You're a hacker."

I'd also say that you need to get a life, but...

And writing cool kernel enhancements does not constitute a life why? :-)

Someone should move the TCP stack outside of the kernel where it belongs (see mach, l4, qnx...). I can't wait until the Linux kernel is crushed under its own weight (monolithich == bad...I'm trying to built a jack-of-all-trades kernel right now for Mentalinux, and I'm having wierd conflicts between drivers that cause kernel panics. Ugh...in a microkernel world it would all work much better).

So a real hacker would go out and work on gnumach, right now :).

and RedX, if you did that and filmed it, you could prob sell it to hollywood for major $$$ as 'the' action flick of 2002 ;)

Unfortunately not all of us can install as coffee machine to the side of our computer. The best I could do was a tea kettle , tea cosy and zavarka pot. I dont think that coffee is hacking , havent you read the Russian Tea HOWTO.

:) Vlad