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Who wants to be a learning group admin?

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 04:09:41 PM

Well, not too many people seem to have interactively tested the learning group code, so we'd might as well try to get them going at full swing and tested that way.

If you feel qualified and motivated to be a learning group administrator for some programming language or other appropriate topic, then please post what you'd like to do in this thread! We'll see which group ideas have enough people to get rolling. Also, please post any that you'd be interested in using as a learner.

It's really quite simple to be an LG admin with the code that's in place. The first thing to do is come up with a tutorial/online textbook/whatever that will be the main "text" for the group. Then you use the web admin interface to create a list of the sections of the tutorial and add some exercises for each section, appropriate to do after finishing that part of the tutorial. Anyone with a TPU account can suggest exercises, of course. Admins can view submissions with a link from the main LG page and edit/approve the appropriate ones. Admins can directly add sample solutions, and anyone passing by can submit his own solution for inclusion pending admin approval.

There are a few other things you can do, but I think they're self-explanatory from the interface.

Posted by taubz [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 04:13:22 PM

I'd like to admin a Java group...

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 04:26:18 PM

Yeah, I'd go for something... GNU/Linux maybe? PHP? C? I don't really mind...

Posted by metamorphic [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 04:36:02 PM

My C++ is definatly not the best here, but im up for admining a C++ one if needs be. As for a learner, I would join a linux one. I think that teaching myself more C++, admining a LG and joining a linux group should be enough for me depeniding on time.

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 04:54:52 PM

Not being an expert in the topic shouldn't be _too_ much of a problem. You don't necessarily need to have solutions ready for exercises you create. =)

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 05:54:15 PM

I'm definitely up to be a GNU/Linux group admin.

Metamorphic: Wow... cool! You want to do a Linux kernel group? Neat... we could work on moving the TCP stack outside the kernel!

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 06:00:30 PM

What exactly would a GNU/Linux group teach?

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 06:30:29 PM

"What exactly would a GNU/Linux group teach?"

They'll have to memorize the entire Linux kernel source code. We could use the same methodes they use in Koran schools. Fail to learn a full chapter a day and you get beaten 6 times. If you succeed you still get beaten 6 times, but this time you get some food too.

Linux: the new religion.

RedX

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 06:43:07 PM

Psion: Probably programming specifically for POSIX systems, so in a way it would be a specific subset of a C learning group, but for a slightly more advanced audience. Maybe learning GTK or QT programming...

Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 06:46:47 PM

Can some one please teach C++, java and python!

Posted by taubz [send private reply] at July 04, 2002, 07:00:14 PM

No, gian, I think memorizing the kernel would be more useful.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 12:29:06 AM

I could admin a C++ one, I have 4 years of schooling in it. I'm a radical though, you've all seen my code (yet I manage 90's and up in my classes)

Posted by Mycroft [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 12:31:08 AM

I would like to do a group on graphics relating to programming and the web or open source(yeah I know thats really vague). But how much work must be put into it, how much time each week? And do you trust people enough to not be lazy about it?

Posted by jay_dee [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 02:51:38 AM

How about one for Perl? I don't know all that much but I think it would be cool if someone that knew a bit more then me wanted to be a admin.

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 07:18:54 AM

Mycroft, the group would succeed/fail in proportion to the amount of effort put into it. I'm just soliciting people to take responsbility because I know there would be no hope otherwise. I'm not going to try to "force" people to "work a certain number of hours."

Posted by Setherd123 [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 12:12:33 PM

I could help with Python.

Posted by metamorphic [send private reply] at July 05, 2002, 12:16:24 PM

Now the grouops are set up, who is admin of each of them?

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 06, 2002, 05:25:52 AM

Maybe it should be made to say who is actually admin of a given group?

Posted by eXorcus [send private reply] at July 10, 2002, 08:37:26 AM

I would like to see a games development related LG, not at all language specific if possible because the theory is basically the same for all languages. I suppose it would have to be pretty generalized, so maybe that could be a downfall for it.

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 10, 2002, 03:54:56 PM

That would sort of defy the point of learning groups, I think. Something like "OpenGL game programming" would be much more useful, because then it wouldn't require someone to author new resources, they could just establish a collection of pre-existing ones.

Posted by Cobbs [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 03:02:52 AM

Oooh, OpenGL game programming sounds like a good idea for a learning group.

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 04:23:33 AM

Indeed... I might do just that.

Posted by CViper [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 06:24:52 AM

Hmm.. you might however want to keep OpenGL and Game Programming apart, since lot of the actual Game Programming dosen't have anything to do with OpenGL (obviously only the graphics part "uses" OGL - and there it's only used for actually drawing stuff)
But otherwise it sounds like a nice idea :)

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 11:21:42 AM

Do we really need more learning groups? No one seems to be using them...(I feel like I wasted my time coming up with all of those exercises for the Scheme group).

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 02:37:38 PM

Why would anyone be using them with no advertising?

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 03:10:06 PM

I advertised my LG! Notice the news item on the front page...(come on, use the Scheme LG, Scheme is great...)

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 11, 2002, 05:33:42 PM

That would be a reason to expect anyone to visit it if a large number of people read the front page. However, that is not the case. I'm not "blaming you" for not doing something. Someone needs to advertise TPU for people to find the learning groups and use them. I am waiting for various things involving this server to be settled before initiating anything.

Posted by vikram_1982 [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 11:25:52 AM

Tell u what - the learning group concept is a fabulous idea. U have just kicked the snow ball , unknown lamer, the avalanche will follow.

Further, given that Learning groups are yet to catch up, why not give it a prominent location on the front page, instead of combining it with FAQs and Quick Start Guides and Member Sites, resources that are seldom used.MAKE IT MORE PROMINENT - It just aint visible at first glance, and that is all people generally do.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 01:07:02 PM

Is this site profitable? If so, do you (Psion, right?) make enough money off this to buy advert space?

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 01:51:19 PM

profitable = no
How on earth could I make any profit off of it?? It is going to be supported financially (for now) by a bunch of generous folks, myself included. We also use this server now for personal things, so getting financial support to run it from people who just use the TPU site could be a little dodgy.

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 04:18:17 PM

Ever think of doing a banner exchange? The big open space to the right of the logo is prime real estate

Posted by mrnorman [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 04:29:39 PM

booooooo, banner's ads should DIE!

Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 06:07:28 PM

Indeed.... no banners.
Lets use annoying pop ups instead which have an on exit call to open another pop up!

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 06:14:45 PM

If tpu ever did ads (who would advertise?) textads would be the obvious solution...(google and k5 use them). Of course, tpu.org isn't popular enough to have ads!

Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 13, 2002, 09:24:37 PM

WE will be someday unknown_lamer!

Posted by CodeRed [send private reply] at July 14, 2002, 01:29:33 AM

mrnorman, No, banner ads should be the ONLY type of ads, unanimated ones. No more goddam javascript or flash or any of that crap that plays music, no more popups especially the kind that fill the entire screen forcing you to ctrl-alt-del them. I hate all that shit but I realize advertisement is necessary, that is why I am a fan of banner ads, they are small and unobtrusive, what else could you ask for?

Posted by RedX [send private reply] at July 14, 2002, 07:47:28 AM

Why not use product placement? Simply have some code replacing random words by product names.

For example:
"
mrnorman, No, banner ads should be the ONLY type of COCA COLA, unanimated ones. No more goddam PEPSI or flash or any of that crap that plays ALWAYS, no more popups especially the kind that PHILLIPS the entire screen forcing you to HEWLETT PACKARD them. I hate all that MUSTEK but I realize advertisement is MICROSOFT, that is why I am a fan of DUREX ads, they are small and EPSON, what else could you ask for?
"

RedX

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 14, 2002, 08:57:52 AM

On the subject of banners: the costs to run this site are so incredibly small for anyone with income at the level one might expect from site visitors. There is no reason to get all capitalist, ruin the landscape with ads, and try to make "a profit". Tiny "donations" work fine to keep everything running.

Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 14, 2002, 01:15:45 PM

Down with capitalism! Ads are evil! :)

Posted by whizkide [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 06:22:04 AM

u guys dont have an assembly learning group. I wouldnt mind to admin that.

Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 06:27:53 PM

hehe, watching topics get so derailed like this is funny sometimes...

anyways, I'd love to help with the C++ LG, even though I hear there's already an admin for that.

Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 21, 2002, 08:34:35 AM

Why not setup the FORTRAN LG hahahhahah , if you have 1) been hit on the head 2) are smoking cannabis 3) are drunk 4) are mad you might do that and I could be its admin. That makes me laugh.

-Vlad " I WASTE A LOT OF SPACE "

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