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Improving TPU and Big IRC Meeting
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 15, 2002, 08:32:02 PM
I think we have in place much of what is needed to make TPU an excellent community that achieves all of its goals. What's needed is a bunch of enthusiastic people to help us run the final stretch. I'm not talking about web site interface improvements here. I'm talking about organizing people so that they can help and learn from each other.
There seems to be pretty wide agreement here that learning groups have a lot of potential. I'd like to identify a few LG's that will be TPU's premiere offerings and find groups of perhaps 5 people for each one to volunteer to work to develop the initial exercises and other machinery. An e-mail newsletter was another thing that I suggested to help build this community. I raised the idea of spotlights on member projects, and there were the usual of ideas of instructional articles. This idea seems like it could be very promising, but it needs people to flesh it out. I think with the subjects of the 2 above paragraphs up and running, we would be in a position to advertise widely and actually expect new visitors to find things to make them want to stick around. We're certainly not at that point yet, but we should work towards it. So, as to the second part of the subject of this thread: To discuss these issues, give everyone a chance to voice his ideas, and find people who want to take on specific tasks, I think it would be appropriate to have an IRC meeting with as many TPU'ers in attendance as possible. Not enough of you are taking advantage of the great social opportunity that IRC offers, so this could also function as a chance for anyone interested to hop on IRC at a time when many others are guaranteed to be around. It seems from past experience and discussions here that a Saturday evening/night GMT would be the ideal time to maximize the number of people who can attend conveniently. Please post to this thread with any time preferences if you think you could attend this meeting. Also, if you have any ideas for improving TPU in general, here's the place to mention them!
Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at July 15, 2002, 10:21:06 PM
You should probably post this message on the TPU mailing list if it's working and enough people are subscribed.
Posted by sphinX [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 12:35:42 AM
Do you mean GMT as in GMT+0 specifically, or were you using GMT in a broad sense? I am at GMT+10 in Australia.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 01:21:56 AM
GMT+0
Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 03:10:14 AM
That time would be perfect to me. I'm at GMT+1, so as long as it doesn't get much later than 3AM (GMT). I *do* have a job to look out for (yes, sunday as well).
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 03:35:14 AM
I'm GMT -8, so I'm gonna want to be on... midafternoon? fair enough. hopefully I'll remember, I'm looking forward to talking about working a C++ learning group...
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 04:27:39 AM
Yay for GMT+12...
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 08:00:57 AM
I don't know what else I'd mean by GMT except Greenwich Mean Time....
Neumann's suggestion to use the dusty old mailing list is a good one, but I'd like to get some information on ideal times first. I think having an official starting time when (hopefully) everyone would appear is the best thing to do. So, the question becomes, when should that starting time be? How about something like 5 or 6 PM GMT?
Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 08:22:08 AM
5-6PM GMT is probably the ideal time for both Europe and America. It's fine with me.
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 09:17:24 AM
so what would that be in EST time... IM in NYC
Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 10:14:26 AM
DAFGS.. I won't even bother to look, but I know that Baltimore, MD is in GMT-5 (unless I remember it incorrectly), so see if you can work it out from there.
Posted by Neumann [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 10:29:44 AM
NYC is GMT-5 to. That means 1-2PM EST.
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 10:32:55 AM
I thought that GMT was replaced by UTC? Anyway, any saturday but this saturday is good for me (guh, I'll probably be in NC for the day! suck).
Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 02:04:43 PM
unknown: It might be, but GMT and UTC are converted and used in the same way. The only differences between the two standards are:
- The name (duh) - The way they're maintained.. UTC is maintained by atomic clocks, satellites, etc.. GMT is just there. :o)
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 03:08:42 PM
mm, midmorning then....
so, is GMT 5-6 the entirity, or just the beginning? I think if you're going to pick a starting time, just say one time and let people arrive as they will. otherwise it's confusing ^_^ plus, how many people are going to be there? it might be nice for our friendly admins to squelch those that aren't speaking to the active issues, something a little more structured than the normal everyday TPU chat. Just a thought...
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 05:02:46 PM
The range there was meant to indicate uncertainty about the best starting time. Obviously a starting time will be a single time. I'm going to assume 6 PM UTC [<-- there!] unless someone raises an objection here.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 05:06:58 PM
I'd orefer a little later than 6GMT, as that would require me to get up on sunday morning at either 5 or 6 AM (Depending on DST etc).
Posted by jay_dee [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 06:17:20 PM
I know this doesn't have anything to do with the IRC meeting but...
Zandalf- What part of Washington are you in? I'm in Mount Vernon, its just north a Seattle. Sorry about, that I just saw that you we're living in Washington in your profile and it made me curious.
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 07:11:53 PM
And does the 27th (2 Saturdays from today) sound like a good day?
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 16, 2002, 08:55:20 PM
Sounds good to me.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 12:10:37 AM
Excellent.
Posted by CViper [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 12:33:22 AM
Just in case anybody cares, i'm not here on the 27th (sitting somewhere in finland and getting eaten by all the mosquitos there).
Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 02:39:41 AM
5 pm on Saturday GMT turns out to be 3 am on Sunday Australian time, so I'd prefer it to be a little later. if that makes it unworkable for fifty zillion other people, though, I'd probably manage to get there anyway.
Posted by metamorphic [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 04:11:34 AM
fine with me
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 08:07:09 AM
buzgub, what about a little earlier instead? Want to suggest some times?
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 17, 2002, 05:36:17 PM
How about 9PM UTC/GMT? That would make it 7/9AM Sunday for Buzgub and I, mid afternoon-early evening for all our Americans and about 10/11PM for our European visitors...
Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at July 18, 2002, 02:14:06 AM
Gian's suggestion seems good to me, but what do "our European visitors" think of 10/11 PM?
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 01:23:09 AM
My take is that a start time of 6pm GMT makes it the most accessible for most of our guests. I realize that people in Australia (like buzgub) probably won't be able to make the beginning, but I imagine that it will go until 12pm GMT, simply because of the number of members of TPU combined with the sheer massiveness of many orders of business for the first meeting.
Also, I'm sure glad that somebody specified a date, because I thought it was going to be this saturday, and wouldn't I look silly logging on and asking where everybody was. I probably still will... ^_^
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 01:52:00 AM
Can I ask why you think that 6pm makes it any more accessable than 9pm? It seems to me that more people would be around at 6/7pm (In America) rather than 2-3pm...
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 01:57:38 AM
Because I envision a meeting that goes from about 6pm to 12am GMT. which, for me, is 10am to 4pm, for you is 2-8, for eastern europeans goes late into the night, and for australians starts early in the morning. I'm assuming that we don't draw a whole bunch from non-latin-based-langugage-countries here, so putting most of asia in the middle of darktime is okay.
If we start later, the meeting gets shortened, or the europeans get the raw end of the deal. It's a trade off. I think that for the first meeting, we should find out what time it is for everyone there, and using that, figure out what starting time is better for future meetings.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 02:22:20 AM
No, that's 6am-12 for me... I'm in New Zealand.
So what's wrong (for you) for 2pm - 8pm? Don't forget that we are unlikely to last 6 hours....
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 09:09:16 AM
Zandalf seems a bit optimisitic. I'm betting that most people won't show up other than the IRC regulars and maybe 10 other TPUers.
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 19, 2002, 01:07:13 PM
woohoo for optimism!
again, blame the newbie for not knowing how many are IRC regulars and etc. ^_^ and there's nothing wrong for me, I was just trying to think of eastern europeans, and if we're not going to go six hours, by all means push it back ^_^
Posted by Starlord [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 04:36:47 AM
Thankyou Neumann for suggesting the TPU mailing list, otherwise I wouldn't have heard of the meeting. I'm at UTC +10 in Australia, so I'll probably miss the first half of the meeting anyway.
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 09:37:01 AM
SO have we came to a final time and date yet???
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 09:40:34 PM
I'm of the belief that 9PM GMT would do nicely...
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 10:35:22 PM
so we still don't have a set time... hrmph
Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at July 20, 2002, 10:38:43 PM
My vote is for 9PM GMT on the 27th, as well.
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 21, 2002, 11:27:54 AM
do we all agree or what?!!!!!!!
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 21, 2002, 07:35:03 PM
9pm : gooooo!
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 21, 2002, 08:46:25 PM
9pm for U zan... and ur in washington right?... so how would i convert that time to NYC time... can u help me... show me a site or sumthing
Posted by buzgub [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 04:13:17 AM
Diego, google for "time zone converter"
Posted by metamorphic [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 08:45:50 AM
9pm GMT on the 27th July is good for me (:
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 09:45:52 AM
ok..... but is 9pm GMT a set time...
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 09:58:18 AM
You impute greater organization than is present here. I'll say "yes, it's a set time," whatever that may mean.
Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 10:27:00 AM
How happy I am that I am leaving tommorow.... no meeting for me ... and you can be happy there will be no annoying little brat called exocet.
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 10:56:18 AM
i dont have a clue as to what either one of u have just said
Psion---->"You impute greater organization than is present here. I'll say "yes, it's a set time," whatever that may mean." Yeah what does this means... and VLad-----> ..."and you can be happy there will be no annoying little brat called exocet".
Posted by Psion [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 11:30:10 AM
diego, yes, that is when the meeting is.
Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 11:34:22 AM
my nickname on IRC is exocet :-0
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 02:06:26 PM
ok Guys... IM there dudes.....
Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 02:13:31 PM
ok Guys... IM not there dudes.....
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 02:53:27 PM
when I said 9pm go... I meant GMT, sorry to confuse diego
I'm in
Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 05:40:56 PM
Well I hope the meeting improves TPU , its such a great place. Thanks to >> all << the >> @dmins << for making it that good.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 06:03:02 PM
Where are you going?
Posted by vladimir_l [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 06:33:22 PM
I am going to Russia to but Linux Software/Books/get my dads old books on algebra/get communist literature + banenners and see my relatives ... and I am going ona bike hike with some mad mathematicians , a sysadmin who is craazy and his wife who programs mp3 player software also an architect who cant control a bike straight ...
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 22, 2002, 07:04:31 PM
nah... ur going to Rape that little Sara chick in the SIberian mountains... then ur gonna have a secret meeting with the K.G.B... perhaps to take down T.P.U or even @Gian... u know that u will never be able to catch up to him in the Posts category.. so stop posting at every opportunity..... LOL
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 23, 2002, 03:12:53 PM
ON the day of the TPU meeting... can sumone plz put a post up or just simply PM me... Perhaps u can codered... cuz u live in the same state as me....
Posted by Linux_Penguin [send private reply] at July 24, 2002, 12:18:43 PM
Well Im showing up at sometime in the afternoon if I missed it I missed it.... myabe someone can log the whole thing!?!?!? Then maybe anyone who missed out can read it!
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 24, 2002, 12:23:37 PM
http://sv.gnu.org/projects/bobotpp/ Just write a log script and run a Bobot++ =)
Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at July 24, 2002, 02:58:06 PM
Hmm.. Amazing how much gnu.org looks like SourceForge..
Posted by unknown_lamer [send private reply] at July 24, 2002, 03:11:33 PM
Savannah (sv.gnu.org or savannah.gnu.org) is running a heavily modified sourceforge. They are run the old GPL sourceforge. They were going to stop using sourceforge because the code is crap and can't be maintained, but then Xerox started to donate their modifications to sourceforge (amazing bug tracker, task manager, and other stuff to come) so it looks like they aren't going to ditch it. Btw, I just wrote the log script and (if Psion will let me) will run a log bot on Abulafia to log the meeting.
Posted by AngelOD [send private reply] at July 24, 2002, 03:13:36 PM
Heh. Thought it was that code. :o)
Posted by Zandalf [send private reply] at July 25, 2002, 02:05:03 AM
well, I can make it to the beginning of the meeting, gotta go to the airport to pick up family and friends later that day thou :(
Posted by diegoeskryptic [send private reply] at July 25, 2002, 04:22:05 PM
is the IGNORE OPTION going to be inforced at this meeting?..
oh yeah PSION... I read a good book that day...
Posted by whizkide [send private reply] at July 26, 2002, 07:50:23 PM
Well, i guess im up for the meeting. Thats if the firewall im behind can be disabled.And i really think there should be an assembly language learning group.
still me whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by RedX [send private reply] at July 27, 2002, 10:20:34 AM
You can disable anything with a sufficiently large hammer.
Posted by gian [send private reply] at July 27, 2002, 03:19:43 PM
For all of you timezone-impaired people, it's happening in about 40 minutes.
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