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The insane webapp

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at December 31, 2001, 04:52:11 PM

Note before going on: This is not something I will attempt with my attempts of making this site better... it is just an insane idea in its infancy stages.

Anyways you've heard of the new mime type: application/xhtml+xml, right? Well the sad thing is still not here yet, and will take atleast a year before browsers that use it are on the market being popularly used after the mime-type makes it here. So since I cannot make my insane site that uses xml, xhtml(maybe), xslt, xsl-fo, smil, svg, MathML, XPointer, XLink, PNG, MNG, and serveral other things that could combine with this to be equally evil, I am wondering if it is possible to make a Java Applet that will read my version of the application/xhtml+xml mime type, and basically be the gateway to my site. This is all part of my plot to prove that that mime-type is evil, and we should use text/html, text/css, etc., as our stuffs.

When you click the link, you would not reload the Java Applet, because that would be dumb, instead the Java Applet would be a browser inside a browser to view the site. The other option would be to make this an Application, but then there would be nothing to use it on, other than my one site (unless I make it support html 4.01, and not be too zealous about keeping with W3C's standards).

The mini-browser when faced with a server in the Link (whether it be an anchor or an XML Link) that is not the server it came from, would allow the normal browser to handle that.

Of course we could also have this mini-browser interact with a servlet to have even more fun ^_^. If it were an embed'd XML link (I do not know the current langauge )`: ) then we could have the servlet use... guess what... SOAP! to grab stuff.

I am still toying with this idea, and sadly I do not know the Java APIs well enough to accomplish this (JavaDoc is evil) all this is would be a goal idea... something to think about in the future...

Any comments?
I will be researching these ideas :D

Posted by taubz [send private reply] at December 31, 2001, 06:00:09 PM

I don't understand the idea.... but good luck.

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at December 31, 2001, 06:23:44 PM

I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea that defeats the purpose of having web browsers. :-)

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at December 31, 2001, 08:12:19 PM

hummm... hard to understand what you mean by "defeats the purpose of having a webbrowser," so I will take that to mean that it should not be an applet...

I just got inspired by various Java Applets out there that display smil files...

Would it be better if I did it as an application :D, no prolly not... too many other ones out there with more support... humm.. I really want to do this though, but I am sure I will not follow through with it as an application... I want to be able to be the first with an overly multimedia site following W3C standards, just to prove this is evil...

hummm...
I will have to think about it more...

Posted by gian [send private reply] at December 31, 2001, 09:08:15 PM

It seems completely insane to me... not only would it increase overheads, but it would mean huge amounts of work... and what functionality would it add? Very little, support for a technology that isn't even properly defined yet...

Posted by max621 [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 09:02:37 PM

Java applets are so slow for me... like all them gay Java WYSISYG editors

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 09:35:58 PM

Hummm...

I guess your right...

Its just I would prefer to have a site using these technologies, without have the user have to download plugin after plugin... (Which would be a lot of plugins)... I've played the plugin game before and lost. LOL... I had a site that used Flash 3 once, all my friends told me quothe unquothe "Java did not work properly on their computer," when I am sure that the plugin is written in C, and compiled for Netscape and Internet Explorer's plugin API(?s?).

Well I will now go on a merry plugin search, so that atleast I support these technologies &evilgrin; &angelic_halo;, or atleast the Technologies that are finished (such as SVG and SMIL, which have become recommendations ^_^)

Posted by Psion [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 09:47:03 PM

These fancy things are useless. What a load of mumbo-jumbo! We were so happy when HTML grew tables back in the day!

Posted by gian [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 09:49:22 PM

Tables, ha! Luxery.... we would have dreamed of having tables... we had to use &nbsp; and <br> tags to format stuff in my day!

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 10:50:41 PM

LOL...

Incase you missed the point of my insane webapp it to prove that these new technologies are the evilest creation. I just need an inspiration for my evil plot.... (/me starts rubbing his hands in the way evil plotters tend to )

Posted by gian [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 11:08:46 PM

TO TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at January 01, 2002, 11:29:05 PM

Yes! That is the perfect idea for a website... "Dake Desu Dx's World Domination Page" I would have a spinning globe in the upper left hand corner, done with SVG and SMIL, I would have a cool looking Div/CSS based layout, with the SVG designs inbetween the content of the Div and the Div tag (rather a simple matter of having div.whatever span.ditto's z-index five higher than that of div.whatever, allowing for four layers of SVG)... then with that SVG I could mix with SMIL to produce something similar... no wait... I got it! We could have a globe, that would have a day cycle similar to XCom, with small buttons that onclick would initiate SMIL events (if you can do that) that allow the user to cycle around the globe, like XCom...

Then in the sidebar I would have graphics that move, that all they are would be SMIL and SVG together... they could be my evil army of Lemmings... humm, I will have to think this more, and more. >:)

Now for sure off on a mad plugin hunt >:)>

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at January 02, 2002, 12:09:35 AM

Bah! Netscape's only plugins that would fit what I want are only for Windows and only support SVG.

Add to that Netscape's plugin API is the gayest thing ever, it can only tell it what to do when handling an embed or object tag, bah! I do not want those all over my page, embed I believe is depreciated and object is evil. Naturally when I learned there were no current plugins, I decided to attempt at creating my own. If I could allow a plugin to understand something in a <img> tag it might be different, cause then I would just <img src="somefile.smil"> to get it to work...

I will check Mozilla.org later...

And Netscape could alteast update their docs from 4.x...

bah!

Posted by DakeDesuDx [send private reply] at January 02, 2002, 09:19:51 AM

Going back to the topic of: "Teh Insane Webapp." ("Teh" spelt wrong to look 1337 :-) I have found out something that can accomplish my task of creating something to make the isane web app possible.

Mozilla will not be build SMIL into their browser, but maybe, just maybe, SVG with some of the related SMIL. They said that is best left as a plugin. Mozilla has an excellent interface, as does Microsoft for support these. They are XPCOM and M$COM (I'll let you have three guesses who owns each; the last two don't count :-P), I am sure their already are products that are being made to support these standards >:), so next step is to search for them on Mozilla.org... if I cannot find them I will download a pdf of SMIL1, and make my own (lame) XPCOM app. This will be better (hopefully) than use applets for this, or constructing a webbrowser from scratch, and will allow me to: "Try to TAKE OVER the world!"

I have a lot of wierd things named after me, a couple you should note are: Dake Desian Confusion, Micro Moon's Monologues, and a subset of Dake Desian Confusion, Micro Moon Ambiguity. Bet you cannot guess where this one fits :-)


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